Topic: What do you guys know?

[Zigbert]

What would be.....  ? Locrian = ? Aeolian = ? Mixolidian = ? Phrigian = ? Dorian = ? Ionian = F#minor

I don't know anything about the Church modes but for the modern modes:

A Ionian (major)
B Dorian
C# Phrygian
D Lydian
E Mixolydian
F# Aeolian (minor)
G# Locrian

[Toxikator]

Church modes are "modern" modes. A hypomode is simply a mode that resolves a 4th (or maybe 5th, I forget) below the root, so the Hypoaeolian mode begins on A, and moves upward, but eventually ends on an E. It's just a primitive (if you'll excuse a poor descriptor) way of discussing the concept of a half-cadence.

[Lineinput]

Gregorian modes were used during Middle ages and the Renaissance ( thank to the Papa Gregorio I ) the description of them varies according to the theorist and the period, but in general eight Gregorian Modes were described.
This modes had a Final note and a Dominant note.
Gregorian modes are divided in 2 categories: Autentic modes (odd numbers in the scale I, III, V, and VII) and Plagal modes (assigned with even numbers II, IV, VI and VIII).
Each Autentic has a relative Plagal mode. ( Autentic = I, Related Plagal  = II....). Some authors use Greek names for authentic modes, I = Dorian, III = Phrygian, V = Lydian, VII = Mixolydian, the prefix Hypo is added to the Plagal names. ( I=Dorian II = Hypodorian and so on)
you must know exactly where the Final and Dominant note is in each of those scales.

Not simple eh...............

[christhomasscog]

  I think at this point we should ask SC if we can go ahead and post some proper theory threads up here so that we can all get to the point that Tox and Bengala appear to be at...'cos I had piano lessons when I was 10 but apart from that  most of the last two post were waaaaaay over my head!! 

[Toxikator]

I took two theory classes, I'd expect it from myself. Plus, I write heavy metal so modality is something I spend a lot of time working with.

[Wild.Mind]

haha, that's wisdom from the world of Renchan. You need to play more videogames.

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and i know where is the C note on the drums but my mummy says that i'm an idiot...makes u wonder why?

[outstretchedarm]

Okay...I had to get in this conversation with you weird far-eastern, sexually-depraved, modal sicko's...

Regarding Scales/Modes (because SOMEONE needs to ask a pointed question here)

1) In composing and improvising...what scales are useful over what chord changes?  IMO this is what gives a player his/her "sweet sound" on thier instrument. 

For example, if I'm playing in C, burning along on the Blues scale (to me thats C Eb F Gb G Bb C), and there's a chord change to G, what scales can I/should I switch to on my right hand?  a) burn along in the c-blues b) switch to G-blues c) I've heard it said that if you want a "gospel feel" you play "in the key that the new change is the fouth (IV) of", in other words, we're now in G, which is the fourth of D...therefore play in the D-blues.  d) anything else in this thought-scheme?

2) What are some well-known players techniques for changing modes/scales with progressions.  I've been highly suspicious that Stevie Wonder is playing in some totally other mode when he does his thing because it all sounds too sweet and beautiful, and i don't think it just his chord voicings.   

[SingingCrane]

I think at this point we should ask SC if we can go ahead and post some proper theory threads up here so that we can all get to the point that Tox and Bengala appear to be at...'cos I had piano lessons when I was 10 but apart from that  most of the last two post were waaaaaay over my head!! 

Yeah, I think it is safe to say that a few more threads should be started. Definitely a 'Scale Theory' and 'Modes' thread...not to mention some basics for the beginner...umm something like 'How to make a chord' etc... As a matter of fact...I thought Tox had volunteered to do some seeing as how he is the self-proclaimed resident expert here...hmmm...

[Toxikator]

Actually, you'd be surprised about Mr. Wonder, and many other blues musicians... Blues is highly chormatic. You'll find that most blues chords are either major or Majorminor (dominant) 7ths, and you usually "crush" tones to get the sweet effect. So for example, you'd play a minor I chord and immediately slide the Eb to E, almost like a bend but with a key glissando. These major chords provide the root for what is ironically a heavily minor scale (the blues scale), which is why blues scales are often bent to the major voicing.

As for your "scale change" question, you should stick to the scale (the blues in this case) but focus your resolutions on F. In other words, the note you use shouldn't change, but you're effectively "transposing" your soloing to the relative key on F. so instead of Playing C Eb F Gb G Bb, you're playing F Gb G Bb C Eb, perhaps swapping the G for an Ab-A Crush. I'll attach a .flp example of what I mean using FL Keys.

[outstretchedarm]

Actually, you'd be surprised about Mr. Wonder, and many other blues musicians... Blues is highly chormatic. You'll find that most blues chords are either major or Majorminor (dominant) 7ths, and you usually "crush" tones to get the sweet effect. So for example, you'd play a minor I chord and immediately slide the Eb to E, almost like a bend but with a key glissando. These major chords provide the root for what is ironically a heavily minor scale (the blues scale), which is why blues scales are often bent to the major voicing.

As for your "scale change" question, you should stick to the scale (the blues in this case) but focus your resolutions on F. In other words, the note you use shouldn't change, but you're effectively "transposing" your soloing to the relative key on F. so instead of Playing C Eb F Gb G Bb, you're playing F Gb G Bb C Eb, perhaps swapping the G for an Ab-A Crush. I'll attach a .flp example of what I mean using FL Keys.

okay okay okay hold on hold on here.  I wanna make sure I understand this....

1) when you say "crush tones" it sounds like you're basically talking about grace notes, am I right?  If so, what are some guidelines for this "crushing"...when and how should I do it?

2) "you should stick to the scale " are you saying, unless we're playing some esoteric jazz or something, we can play the same scale throughout the whole song, except we sorta shift hand positions and "start" and "end" the scale at a different place, that is, the root of the chord we are in?  is it really that simple?  Cause is that true, then in the Eb, i can hit black keys (and one white key) all day and still be in that song's scale (blues).

[Toxikator]

You're right about the second. in C minor, if the chord you're playing over is F, just play C major scales but resolve to F. If you can visualize the key it's pretty simple.

Grace notes are similar to crushed tones, but crushed tones are chromatic. Play a C major chord by playing C minor and then immediately (grace-note-esque) slide the Eb to E. You'll immediately hear the blues in it.

[Lineinput]

I think this is kind of DUMMIES question, ( what scale to use ) hehe,

I think diatonic 7th's is all Wonder knows about.

Hard is to follow.......Django Reinhardt Improvisation, Gypsies, or Debussy.

This thread was What do you guys know? Here......... only a few people would spent 14 years in learning composition. Life's simple for us now.... minor or major scales, I think this very Age we're living in is exactly as "dark" as Middle Age, thanks to computer processors.
 
but hey............

how are those scales built ?

how can we use them?

don't ask that..................

[Ricdude]

Hard is to follow.......Django Reinhardt Improvisation, Gypsies, or Debussy.

Mmmmm.  My favourite.  Hungarian Minor... (e.g in F#: F#, G, A, Bb, C#, D, Eb, F#)

[Zigbert]

Hard is to follow.......Django Reinhardt Improvisation, Gypsies, or Debussy.

This thread was What do you guys know? Here......... only a few people would spent 14 years in learning composition. Life's simple for us now.... minor or major scales, I think this very Age we're living in is exactly as "dark" as Middle Age, thanks to computer processors.
 
but hey............

how are those scales built ?

how can we use them?

don't ask that..................

Christ, now I remember why I hate discussing music theory. Or music, period. In fact, I hate discussing anything. From now on, if anybody speaks to me, I'm just going to throw bricks at them until they stop.

[christhomasscog]

Christ, now I remember why I hate discussing music theory. Or music, period. In fact, I hate discussing anything. From now on, if anybody speaks to me, I'm just going to throw bricks at them until they stop.

You're gonna have to have a good pitching arm to reach us over here. You might just be able to hit Tox though!